| Alyssa |
Can a meth / coke user make someone sick by kissing?
I suspect a friend who is married is using. Her
husband is not a user. If she kisses him right after she
snorted, could he be affected? Would he test positive for drugs?
Does it pass easily through saliva? |
| Replies... |
sick
and
tired77 |
Re: Can a meth / coke user make someone sick by kissing?
No. |
| Alyssa |
Re: Can a meth / coke user make someone sick by kissing?
Thank you for your response. May I ask how you know this for
a fact? Could you please submit a medical/professional link that
verfies your answer to be true? I've been googling all kinds of
phrases to find this out for myself, but keep coming back empty
handed. |
| TnSkye |
Re: Can a meth / coke user make someone sick by kissing?
Alot of us are/were married to active addicts. We
kissed, we had sex, we hugged, we were not contaminated by meth
in these ways. |
eyes
open83 |
Re: Can a meth / coke user make someone sick by kissing?
Quote:
THIS SITE DOES NOT PROVIDE MEDICAL ADVICE
see disclaimer at the bottom of the page..
we can only give opinions here...
in my opinion for her to pass on some of the drugs through
kissing she would have to be kissing him and snorting at the
same time,or very close to the same time...
i think it is highly unlikely that he would show possitive on a
drug test and even less possible he would get sick from
it..unless she has something from the drug use that is
contractable.. |
| Alyssa |
Re: Can a meth / coke user make someone sick by kissing?
I will look elsewhere for my question to be
answered. If you can't back up your answer, perhaps you should
not have posted it in the first place. I sense some hostility
based on the two very short responses I received. Not what I was
expecting from a support group. Best wishes and good luck to all
of you who are currently battling drug addiction. |
sick
and
tired77 |
Re: Can a meth / coke user make someone sick by kissing?
I am married to a recovering meth addict.
We kissed plenty during his times of using, and it never
affected me. I guess I DON'T know for an out & out fact, but I
really don't think it's a possibility.
I'm sure Loraura, Pen, or Sfj will be along to give you a more
concrete answer at some point...
But think of it this way:
If you kiss someone who's drunk, does that make you drunk or
raise your BAC level? Nope.
IMO, if what you're suggesting was possible, you would be able
to find medical/professional evidence to support it by searching
as you have.
Welcome to the board, by the way.
I hope you find a more definitive answer to your questions!
Maybe you should call a MD or the ER...
They might give you a more suitable answer than what you've
gotten from our collective experience & well-researched
opinions |
| Sfj |
Re: Can a meth / coke user make someone sick by kissing?
Ok,
I'll try to give you a more mathematical answer.
The average weight of a "dose" or a "hit" of meth is about one
tenth of a gram. That is for someone who is quite addicted. Not
a beginner by any means.
A gram is one twenty-eighth of an ounce.
So it would take about about two hundred and eighty hits of meth
to equal an ounce. Sixteen ounces in a pound. And an average
woman might weight from 120 to 150 pounds or so.
The woman would weigh 1920 ounces if she weighed 120 pounds.
1920 times 280 equals 53,760.
That means that if the meth were evenly distributed to every
cell in the body equally, including saliva, the man would have
to kiss her and ingest saliva 53,760 times to get a hit of meth.
I haven't checked my arithmetic, but I think it's correct.
The half life of methamphetamine is not very long either so the
kissing, would have to be done quite rapidly. Within a couple
minutes.
It is impossible. Period. |
| Alyssa |
Re: Can a meth / coke user make someone sick by kissing?
I have no doubt you have great expertise on this
subject, but how could I possibly know your opinions are well
researched on your initial response, "No"?
"But think of it this way:
If you kiss someone who's drunk, does that make you drunk or
raise your BAC level? Nope."
You are absolutely right. You won't get drunk kissing a drunk.
However we are not talking about alcohol. We are talking about a
drug has not been researched to the extent that alcohol has been
researched. You can get a contact high and test positive if you
are in close vincity to a person smoking pot. That has been
researched and proven to be true. So, it could be possible with
other drugs.
"IMO, if what you're suggesting was possible, you would be able
to find medical/professional evidence to support it by searching
as you have."
Lack of evidence does not imply it is not possible. What it
implies is there has not been much research done on it. I did
email the health department with this question. If you are at
all interested, I could post the response here.
My concern is for this man. He is older, and on heart and blood
pressure medication. Through my profession, I know some people
who are recovering addicts. I've heard stories from them about
how a glop of meth gets stuck in their swollen up, crusted
sinuses. After awhile, they can feel it and most choose to snort
it down because it gives them a rush. I may be reaching here,
but it seems if an active user sucked a mega dose from the nose
to the mouth and kisses someone, they are being exposed to the
ill effects of the drug as well. |
| Sfj |
Re: Can a meth / coke user make someone sick by kissing?
Again, you can believe what you want. This forum
has hundreds of people with vast experience over many decades.
If you want information about law, see a lawyer.
If you want information about medical treatment, see a doctor.
If you want information about meth use . . . |
k8
kanguru |
Re: Can a meth / coke user make someone sick by kissing?
Why is it so important to you to prove your theory
that this man may have been affected by his partner's meth use?
Why is it necessary, for example, for you to have verifiable
scientific research to back up your theory?
If all the people on this site who have ever kissed partners
using meth will tell you "NO, it doesn't happen", would that
satisfy you or just make you go looking for somewhere or someone
to agree with your theory?
Do your friend and her husband have Internet
access?
If so, can I suggest that you direct them here to seek
information themselves.
If your purpose in posting your question was to find a valid
reason to convince your friend to quit using or her husband to
stop kissing her, then sending them to this site will ensure
that they discover far more valid
reasons for tackling the drug problem in their marriage than the
possibility of transference through kissing. |
| Loraura |
Re: Can a meth / coke user make someone sick by kissing?
Is he french kissing her nostril right after she
snorts a huge line?
If not. I seriously doubt it.
Is it possible that she has a chunk of crystal meth stuck
between her teeth? Well... technically, it's possible. If he
were to suck that down and digest it, he would have some amount
of meth in his system.
Some children who live in meth labs test positive for meth.
Obviously they are ingesting it second hand/unintentionally.
Children crawl and play on floors and like to put their hands in
their mouthes. Does her husband do this as well? If so, it's
possible he could unintentionally ingest meth as well.
For more scientific proof of testing positive for meth when not
the intentional user, see here:
www.oregon.gov/DHS/ph/cds...hd5216.pdf
And here:
www.iir.com/centf/guide.h...20children
Here:
www.azag.gov/DEC/HowEndan...ldren.html
Here:
www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/pul...ldren.html
Actually, you know, you could just google "second hand meth
ingestion" for yourself and find the next 150 articles I was
going to post so that you have all your scientific data ducks in
a row. |
click
mom |
Re: Can a meth / coke user make someone sick by kissing?
Actually I'm glad this question was asked. I too
wondered this. I thought if I had sex with someone who uses meth
that I would somehow be "contaminated". Glad its not possible. |
k8
kanguru |
Re: Can a meth / coke user make someone sick by kissing?
If you're having sex with a meth addict you'd be
wise to wear a condom. The contamination to be worried about is
not from meth directly. |
click
mom |
Re: Can a meth / coke user make someone sick by kissing?
I know. I was talking the chemical of meth
directly. I know what you are referring to. |
sick
and
tired77 |
Re: Can a meth / coke user make someone sick by kissing?
I am going to do my best to entertain your response
with mine...
Quote:
We are talking about a drug has not been researched to
the extent that alcohol has been researched.
Could you please verify the extent to which meth HAS been
researched? Don't forget to site your sources!
Quote:
You can get a contact high and test positive if you are
in close vincity to a person smoking pot. That has been
researched and proven to be true.
Ummm, yeah. A person *can* get a contact high from directly
inhaling the second-hand marijuana smoke...
But what you are suggesting & fighting to prove is much
different-- that should be noted.
You said nothing about this friend smoking massive amounts of
meth in the presence of her husband.
You asked about her snorting it, then kissing her husband.
I think the difference is quite clear.
Quote:
Lack of evidence does not imply it is not possible.
IMO, common sense implies that it is not possible. To be honest, that's why my
initial response was limited to a simple "No."
Quote:
What it implies is there has not been much research done
on it.
Please see the links that Loraura was kind enough to post *just*
for you!
I can certainly understand your concern for this man, but you
should take more consideration into how the possibility of her
using will affect him emotionally rather than physically.
Loving someone who is in active addiction is a nightmare at
best... it can really take a toll.
In closing, I do have one question for you:
If we had said "yes" instead of "no" to your questions, would
you have still asked us for proof? |
forget
suzette |
Re: Can a meth / coke user make someone sick by kissing?
if she smokes it, in the bathroom and he comes in
after her
....it's odorless.
maybe.
if he uses her hairbrush....
....residue will be in his hair...I know that for a fact.
Non-smokers are safe in a ventilated area, as long
as they don't get a hair test. According to Clinton, simply
blowing crack smoke on ones hair may cause a positive hair test.
Second hand pot smoke doesn't affect the hair test results as
much as crack smoke does mainly because exhaled smoke contains
no THC. The only pot smoke that contains THC is the smoke that
hasn't entered the lungs. |
mara
kris |
Re: Can a meth / coke user make someone sick by kissing?
I often wondered if it transferred in my husbands
semen....probably not, at least not in tracable amounts (just a
guess).
A much bigger risk though, he was prone to all sorts of
infections. He gave me a severe staff infection and I almost
died. I have known lots of users that get really bad infections.
But again, this is totally unscientific. My doctor said that I
got the infection from my husband. This was more of a lifestyle
symptom (cheating and lieing) due to meth use, I think, than
just the chemical itself. There are a lot more things like that
to fear, I would think. |
